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ehudadams said,
February 1, 2008 at 10:05 am
I’m sure you will all come and leave your thoughts soon, but I have to say that I’m pretty excited that I was on the right track. I figured that the ones who got off all had to agree on a lie, and I assumed that that lie was saying that all the other losties were dead.
now what is their motive for lying? Maybe they had to do it in order to leave (I doubt it), maybe they had to do it in order to remain safe (more likely), or maybe they had to do it to protect themselves (most likely). Obviously there is someone that wants to know what happened and is willing to lie to get it out of Hurley. He was going to trick him into going with him to find out.
I checked out a screen cap of ‘jacob’ sitting in the chair in the cabin, and it was CHRISTIAN! AHHHH!!!!!
alright, more thoughts later.
LOJO said,
February 1, 2008 at 10:12 am
Okay, first, I was much more afraid than any other episode (I was hiding ynder the covers at times while Walt gave me a play by play) some soldier huh? I hope that level of suspense calms down. I miss Charlie- I just keep hoping it isn’t so. Now…at 3:00am while nursing Andrew I realized the secret that is bothering them. I don’t know with whom, and I don’t know yet why, but for some reason the “Oceanic 6″ are to pretend like they are, and always were, the only survivors of the crash. This is what is killing them. They want to be able to not pretend they didn’t know and love all the others that origionally survived. The question of Anna Lucia in the flash forward–she died on the island but Hurley acted like she never survved the crash. As far we know though, even some of the current survivors end up staying on and living on the island and they have to pretend that they never lived also. I am dying to know the inside scoop though. Who’s got it?
ehudadams said,
February 1, 2008 at 10:15 am
if anyone doesn’t know, Walt is LoJo’s husband, not Michael’s son.
BethsMomToo said,
February 1, 2008 at 3:55 pm
I think they are telling lies to PROTECT those who stayed behind, otherwise everyone would be looking for them…and the secret of the island would no longer be a secret. That might mean that they never tell the rescuers about the people who went inland with Locke.
So who are The Six? We know they include Jack, Kate and Hurley. It will be interesting to see HOW Hurley got back with Jack. There were more than five people who remained with Jack when they split up…what happened to the rest?
The island is trying to get them back. The island must have produced Charlie for Hurley the same way it produced Walt [ the boy, NOT Lojo's spouse
] for Locke.
Somehow, in the future things apparently get worse and worse for Jack. There HAS to be more to it than just protecting those who stayed on the island. Jack goes into a real nosedive! Maybe it’s partly the fault of the island…doing everything it can to get them to want to return.
Seeing Jack’s father in Jacob’s cabin was a surprise! Maybe he is one of The Six – remember in last year’s season finale Jack mentioned him as though he were alive and working in the hospital in LA? Remember Ian’s theory ages ago that Christian was behind it all?
The guy who tried to trick Hurley – once they ship left the island were they unable to get back? That guy has to be more than just a reporter who suspects there were other survivors.
It was shocking to realize only 91 days have passed on island time!
Character development – it was sweet to see Sawyer trying to comfort and encourage Hurley after they heard about Charlie’s death. But on the other hand, he was quick to abandon Kate in order to save his own neck and hide out with Locke. That’s why he’s such a complicated guy.
And WHY did they switch the show to Thursday nights – my class night?! At least I can watch it online.
ehudadams said,
February 1, 2008 at 4:12 pm
Sawyer- he knows he doesn’t have to put himself out there to save Kate because she can do that herself or if he tried, she’d just go do something stupid and ruin it. she’d turn into super-kate and get caught or something.
it will be interesting to see how Jack goes from being who he was here to who he was in the finale. At some point, something convinces him he made the wrong decision. I’m guessing something or someone important to him is going to pay for his decision, because that’s what he cares about.
as a side note, Ben was pretty funny this week. He was there providing all the comic relief in the background.
BethsMomToo said,
February 1, 2008 at 4:39 pm
I just got thinking about Charlie saying to Hurley, “They need you.” At first I assumed he was talking about those who left the island, that they needed to go back. But the more I think about it…maybe it’s those who were LEFT on the island. Maybe they need those who left to come back and help them.
It also just hit me that the guy from the ship parachuted because his helicopter was going down. The island sucked it in? Is that right? Did the guy HAVE to parachute, rather than choosing to? If so, then it will be tough getting them off the island. The island is not nice to boats and planes.
ehudadams said,
February 1, 2008 at 5:04 pm
that’s who I thought he was talking about.
the second comment- it looked like the helicopter was losing control, and it will be interesting to see how they can get them off. it won’t be as simple as bringing a boat ashore and just walking off. but remember that there has to be some way to leave on one’s own accord- the submarine did it. (or did it?!)
Dino said,
February 1, 2008 at 6:52 pm
I know close to nothing on LOST but there was a funny article I read speaking on it. Basically, this guy tried to predict how the show would end. His prediction was: the people build a plane and fly away, but as they head back, they realize life at the island was rather nice and now they have to return to jobs, and taxes, and whatnot. So they turn around and fly back.
Beth said,
February 1, 2008 at 7:25 pm
Jacob’s cabin is so scary! I have to watch it one time with my eyes closed and then watch it again with my eyes open. Didn’t we think it looked like Jack’s father last season?
What did we learn about Hurley? Maybe his visions are a gift- like Locke seems to have gifts on the island. Hurley thought it was a problem prior to the island, but post-island it is a way for Charlie to contact him post-death.
ElaineT said,
February 2, 2008 at 8:41 am
Hey,
I’m in Florida with my brother Tom – I’m not a big Lost fan but I watched it with him the other night and could get hooked…. I showed him this blog and after thinking about it for 2 days, he asked me to post for him! Here’s his theory on the Oceanic 6.
We know:
1. Jack
2. Kate
3. Hurley
The three most desperate people to get off the island….
4. Desmond
5. Sawyer
6. Juliette
And Tom’s theory is that Juliette is the one in the casket in the flash forward… he thinks she’s going to turn on Jack and the others with the “rescuers.”
And he “knows why Jack is falling apart”…. because Jack fixes things – the people on the island need to be fixed – and he’s desperate to get back to the island to fix things.
So those are his theories in a nutshell…. I’ll give him a link to this blog… I’ve been a blog stalker for a long time – maybe this will be my push to get more involved!
Elaine
BethsMomToo said,
February 2, 2008 at 11:27 am
Good point, Beth. Think of the other visions Hurley has had…the people [who aren't REALLY there] who he has seen. It was an interesting twist that this time someone ELSE in the mental hospital also saw Charlie! This is the first time someone other than Hurley has seen the person Hurley sees.
Who else has had “visions”? Jack…Locke…Echo…Kate & Sawyer (the horse)…Boone’s sister? (name?… I have apparently blocked out her name…I never liked her!). Was Locke’s father a vision or real? [Can you kill a vision? maybe! It gave Sawyer and Locke closure]
One thing that really interested me was that Hurley could “block” these visions – he made Charlie disappear. Charlie told him not to do it. Hurley had to deny him THREE TIMES…oooh…that’s rather biblical!
One apparently has to have some sort of faith in order to see the vision…which would be interesting for Jack’s character. He’s supposed to be “the man of science”, not the “man of faith”. Hmmm…even the man of science evidently has SOME faith… Oh THERE’S an interesting discussion!
Aunt Beth said,
February 2, 2008 at 11:42 am
Locke’s father was real- Sawyer killed him.
On the promotion picture do you remember how Jack and Locke were facing eachother with people behind them on each side- I guess that’s the split- some go to the beach to wait for the boat and some hide. Interestingly, we know that Hurley did not go with Jack and kate to the beach- yet he was part of the Oceanic 6- so I guess we can assume the ship is definitely not the way off the island, but probably for the season they will be split like this.
Did anyone else find it disturbing that Jack would have shot Locke? Is this the second time someone has tried to shoot Locke with his own gun and it wasn’t loaded?
ElaineT said,
February 2, 2008 at 4:39 pm
TEST
ElaineT said,
February 2, 2008 at 4:45 pm
Hi,
I’ve been a blog stalker for a long time… but I’m in Florida visiting my brother Tom and discovered that he’s a Lost fan which is prompting me to actually post to a blog! I watched it with him the other night – and he has some theories he wants to share with this group….
The Oceanic 6…
We know Kate, Jack and Hurley. The others are Desmond, Sawyer and Juliette – all three are desperate to get off the island. The funeral is for Juliette. Tom thinks she will be a turncoat against both the Others and the Survivors, with the rescuers, and that’s why Jack said “neither” when he was asked at the funeral “friend or family?”
And Jack is having such a hard time in the flash forward because he’s a fixer – he fixes things and he fixes people. He’s desperate to get back to the island because the people that were left there need his help – they need to be fixed.
That’s it for now…
Elaine (and Tom)
BethsMomToo said,
February 3, 2008 at 1:52 pm
Welcome Blog-stalker Elaine!
Glad your brother talked you into posting. I’m curious, how did he determine the other 3 island-escapees? Was it from the promo-picture, or did he deduce it? My thought was that the promo-picture may be more indicative of the current island time than future time. Desmond and Juliette make logical sense…both really, really want to get off the island. Sawyer takes some thinking about though… like Hurley, he originally goes with Locke. He doesn’t have a strong motivation for returning…other than Kate, possibly. [Is Sawyer the “he”, as in Kate telling Jack at the end of the last episode last year “He’s expecting me.”? Sorry, Tim…I still want her to end up with Jack…I just can’t fight it.
I AM surprised that Kate wants to return. She has a murder charge against her and in Season 2 (?) she absolutely did NOT want to be rescued. If she thinks she is pregnant, she would want to leave to avoid death.
So your brother thinks the funeral is for Juliette. It IS a small casket. I was thinking that it was odd for Jack to be so torn up and Kate to be so blase about the death. And to say you’re neither friend nor relative, yet be so affected by the person’s death is also quite odd. What if…the person is someone who could have helped Jack get back to the island, someone we haven’t even met yet? THAT would upset him. And Kate wouldn’t care because she’s not convinced yet that they have to go back.
BethsMomToo said,
February 3, 2008 at 3:28 pm
Beth wrote:
“Locke’s father was real- Sawyer killed him.”
I’m not sure that proves he was “real”. Kate patted the horse, Charlie slapped Hurley’s face…the manifestations have a definite physicality to them. You may be right, but I still think it’s possible Locke’s father appeared because the Island was aware Locke and Sawyer had issues to resolve. Walt had even aged by the end of last season.
[Of course, they didn't have the option of showing him as being only 91 days older.]
LOJO said,
February 4, 2008 at 8:17 pm
Don’t forget, Walt (from Lost) seemed older because his voice changed–and they can’t stop that.
good call on it possibly being Juliette’s funeral.
Where are you getting the zoom images? how do you determine which images to enlarge? I wonder if there is anything left at the funeral to enlarge that would give us a clue.
Beth said,
February 5, 2008 at 4:19 am
I bet the person at the funeral is Ben.
I still think they brought Locke’s dad to the island. When the plane went down they researched everyone on the plan, made files. At that point they were easily getting off and on the island via the submarine. Ben wanted to get Locke on his side before Jacob started speaking to Locke. All the other visions- nobody but the person saw the images. Nobody else saw kate’s horse or Hurley’s friend.
On that episode they also talked about a special transporter or box- we haven’t heard anything about it since.
Hurley’s visions may be special, and ovbiously Jack’s dad is a special case.
BethsMomToo said,
February 5, 2008 at 6:21 am
Yeah, that “box” was what I was thinking about. How does it fit into the different dimensions? Does it produce real things or copies of things? Is the “future” we have been seeing an actual future or an alternate future? If different decisions are made on the island, does that affect the future outcome? Maybe it will all end by something being done differently on the island…which will result in an entirely different “future”. Maybe they’ll go back to the moment of contacting the ship…or turning off the jamming device. Oh…not that it proves my idea, but Sawyer saw Kate’s horse. But you’re right that Hurley’s friend was visible only to him. Others being able to see the manifestations could be significant. Originally I thought they were apparent to only one person [Boone's sister seeing Walt, Hurley seeing his "friend", Echo seeing his brother], but maybe that’s not necessarily a requirement. Hey…that just made me think…originally Hurley was in the mental hospital because he saw his “friend” and no one else did. What if that friend was “sent” by the island. What if he was a manifestation from the start, brought on by “the numbers”? What if Hurley really HADN’T been mentally ill, but really WAS able to see the guy…just like he saw Charlie? Hmmmm… [as for Locke's father...I think it might go either way...one thing that might point to his being "real" was that he said he was in one place [on the freeway] and then he was on the island. Didn’t he say he was run off the road? Didn’t it show one of the Others doing it?]
ehudadams said,
February 5, 2008 at 9:43 am
thanks for all the posts! i haven’t been able to check the blog since Friday, so I have a lot of catch up to do.
1. the person in the coffin has to be a guy. We know that it is a guy and that he had a teenage son. That was lifted from the obit Jack was reading. The theory was that it was Michael, but I don’t think so. If it was ben, then he has to have a son. I believe it is someone that we don’t know yet, someone maybe from the freighter.
2. I don’t think that Desmond or Juliet could be part of the Oceanic 6. They weren’t on the plane, therefore couldn’t be called the Oceanic 6.
Beth said,
February 5, 2008 at 9:44 am
That’s what we were discussing earlier- that Hurley has a gift.
I can’t believe that we will get ANOTHER episode this week! They have us well-trained.
peter said,
February 5, 2008 at 2:35 pm
Are you sure that is jack’s dad???? that would beee sooo weird!
ehudadams said,
February 5, 2008 at 3:18 pm
look at the pic! it’s totally him, but we saw Jacob last season, and it wasn’t Christian. search for “christian mobisode 13″ on youtube and you’ll see an interesting clip they released a couple week ago.
ehudadams said,
February 5, 2008 at 3:19 pm
sorry, that doesn’t work anymore. go here: http://abc.go.com/primetime/lost/missingpieces/index
ehudadams said,
February 5, 2008 at 3:23 pm
if you haven’t watched that one yet, you have to.
“he has work to do”…. sound familiar?
ehudadams said,
February 6, 2008 at 4:36 pm
in case you wanted to know, the ‘eye’ that Hurley saw in the cabin was NOT Locke’s eye. It has been confirmed on a podcast where the actor (Jorge Garcia) who plays Hurley says that it was someone that hasn’t been credited. I don’t know if it will be someone that hasn’t been introduced or just a random eye. me thinks the former.