Top Eight Objections to Christianity: Part 2

Here’s the second objection:  What’s with all of the genocide in the Old Testament?  How can you defend God ordering people to kill nations?  There are even passages about God killing women and children!  I can’t believe in a God who would command such evil actions as these.

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16 comments on “Top Eight Objections to Christianity: Part 2

  1. Sarah says:

    The consequence of sin is death. If God is a righteous, holy, and just God, not to mention an angry and jealous God when provoked, the deaths of all those people are easily understood. Time and time again he gave people groups chances for repentance and some accepted and turned from their ways, but a great many did not: God promised judgement for their actions, and he would not be the God the bible says he is if he did not make good on his promise.

    Widespread sexual promiscuity, idolatry, etc were and still are justified reasons for God to take someone’s life… They didn’t have Jesus and God’s grace, his sacrifice to cover their sins for them as we do.

    Looking at the world today there are still “genocides”- the AIDs epidemic for example… Cancer is another… Heart disease is the number one killer of women in the U.S… Drug and alcohol abuse?

    All of these things are propagated by our sin: the way we use our bodies, what we put in them.

    God’s actions are not evil: our actions are, and his response is just.

    Just my opinion 😛

  2. ehudadams says:

    are you saying that if I get cancer its because I sinned? What if I got AIDS through a blood transfusion? just playing Devil’s advocate.

  3. Sarah says:

    course not, I am saying that things of that nature have come into existance because of sin.

    you’ve sinned somewhere along the line and whether or not it was fornicative or stealing your sister’s candy… punishment’s the same. Our bodies suseptibility to things of that nature is part of our punishment- if we’d never sinned, we wouldn’t die as far as my biblical knowlege goes, and thus you would never have been able to contract aids through a blood transfusion because it wouldn’t have existed.

    Viruses are part of the corruption of God’s creative order brought on by our sins.

    So, in that case I guess, it’s not God killing us, it’s our sin killing us and God interceeds on our behalf to die for us.

    Err.. I’m confusing myself now haha.

  4. ehudadams says:

    that’s a good distinction to draw because that is an emotional subject and some people say that it is all a result of specific sin in the person’s life. Basically, creation is fallen and effected by sin. and many of these diseases have been given more strength because of sin. God isn’t killing people or giving them diseases. He may allow it to happen, but God is punishing sin for eternity. good job!

  5. BethsMomToo says:

    Hey, how about some Bible verses. What does God have to say about it? Using only human “logic” may not represent God properly.

  6. Beth says:

    I was at work making copies the other day and a woman and her little girl was there- the little girl was very talkative and we got on the topic of Nehemiah (my baby) and it caught the mother’s attention and she said…..”ahhh an Old Testament name”… the little girl asked if I was a Jew, I said I’m a fan of the Jews and grafted in, she asked what that meant, I said I’m a Christian, she asked what that meant and her mother said “Christianity is a religion that was made up by Jesus, who was an amazing man”. Wow. They were obviously very Jewish looking and practicing Jews, but didn’t believe Jesus was the Messiah. So then we started talking about the OT, and the mother said how she hated reading it and hated Passover because it’s so violent and went into details about all the death, and I added to it telling her I’ve been reading through. It was obvious interest in the conversation was waning, but if I see her again it would be interesting. Here is a Jewish person, who finds God and his actions abhorrent- because she is unregenerate and man-centered instead of God centered.

    The Old Testament is about God revealing his character through His chosen people, His holiness, His Mercy (occassionally in the OT), His justice. If you were not a follower of God, you were His enemy… as are those today and it would still be happening on that scale if He wasn’t exhibiting His grace during this time. One of the saddest passages is where Moses is dying in the wilderness and can see into the promiseland. Here he served God for 40 years and complained against God ONCE and that was his punishment. It was unfair, it was just. What’s “unfair” is that we complain with our hearts and lips daily and we are not punished, but forgiven. Jesus paid the price for our grumbling self-centered hearts.

    I know this is for your kids, but … it’s a topic that I just dealt with this week. Hopefully, I’ll have more opportunities to talk to this woman.

  7. BethsMomToo says:

    The Hebrew word “chen”, meaning “grace”, appears in the OT 68 times. The Hebrew words for “gracious” / “graciously” occur an additional 98 times. The Hebrew word “chesed”, meaning “mercy” / “lovingkindness”, occurs more than 200x in the OT. Those words are repeated from the beginning of Genesis to Zechariah.

    I’d suggest the scoffer reread the OT more carefully.

  8. Beth says:

    So far in my reading of the OT, I would say “grace” and “mercy” were more used by people in pleading for God’s grace and mercy- not God granting it. Of course I think people in that time appreciated what mercy and grace they received since they saw justice in operation so frequently… whereas today there’s so much grace and mercy we take it for granted.

  9. Sarah says:

    yay i get a pat on the back for my brain skills from Tim, this is a day I will forever remember…

  10. BethsMomToo says:

    Beth-
    Look up Gen.6:8, 19:19, 33:10, 39:4, 39:21, Ex.3:21 for a starter- with just the word “chen”. Do a scan for those words and their context and I think you’ll be surprised.

    It’s true that the phrase “If I have found favor [chen] in the sight of the Lord…” is frequently used – it recognized that people DID find favor in the sight of the Lord and it is most often spoken by men who had received God’s favor. “Abraham believed God and it was accounted to him as righteousness.” The act of a holy God imparting righteousness to sinful men is an act of grace and mercy – Old OR New Testament.

  11. BethsMomToo says:

    Oh… THAT Sarah…. 😉

  12. Beth says:

    Mom, why don’t you look up every use of chen in the whole OT- categorize them if the people actually got mercy or was just asking for it, and then make that into a ratio of numbers of people killed and/or punished in other ways.

    Done arguing.

  13. Sarah says:

    lol

    i believe i answered the question without all the hubub

    do i win?

  14. BethsMomToo says:

    I thought it was a discussion. Sorry.

  15. Eric Scott says:

    Beth, I think that in addition to the many OT references to Grace and Mercy where the word is specifically used, there are also many examples where God shows mercy but the word may not be used in the context and/or we from our human viewpoints choose to view His grace/mercy as judgement. For example, in the Garden of Eden, God does kick Adam and Eve out of the garden, but look at His motivation-so they can’t eat of the tree of life and live forever in their fallen state. His kicking them out of the garden is a step necessary for them if they ever want to be forgiven of their sin, however we as humans view this as a judgement. I’m sure there are many more examples like this throughout the OT.

  16. ben says:

    Author assumes that he holds the keys to justice. Another words, the author accuses God’s thinking to be absurd because the author cannot imagine a God who could kill people. Where did the author come up with such great reason to think that certain actions by God are wrong? One has to know difference between the straight line and a crooked line to tell the difference, and I’m not sure if atheists believe in that. So the argument against God falls short of a crooked line.

    I don’t really care what the author thinks is the right action God should take, neither does God ask his creation to tell him what to do. God, so to speak, is the only deity that gave this rebel ability to reason, and definitely he didnt create him to reason better them Him. How can a creation accuse the creator? Beats me, but we have some brilliant atheistic philosophers who do think they certainly are smarter than the creator.

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